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Warren Buffett on Investing in Gold

The Right Way to Play the Rising Tide in Gold

By Steve Christ
Thursday, October 8th, 2009

If Baltimore gets hit with a major snowstorm again, my colleague Luke Burgess is one guy I wouldn't mind getting locked in the office with.

He's smart. He's down to earth. And he always does the dishes — even when they're not his. What's not to like?

Even still, Luke and I don't always see eye to eye. . .

You see, for years now we've been going back and forth over investing in gold. When you're talking to a gold bug, this is much like arguing with a priest about religion — it is a daunting task.

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But no matter how hard Luke beats me over the head with his arguments, they just don't sink in. In regards to gold, my opinion is — and has been — a whole lot closer to that of Warren Buffett than to King Midas.

Warren Buffett on Investing in Gold

About the shiny metal Warren once said:

"Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."

You can add me to that list of head scratchers, although I do always keep just enough on hand to bribe the border guards if I had to.

Other metals, on the other hand — like copper, nickel, platinum, and silver — just seem to make more sense.

That doesn't make gold as trade wrong, mind you. It's just not quite my cup tea as a long-term investment — even as the price of gold tops $1000.

I bring this up because I received an e-mail from a reader that had this to share about an article I wrote in Wealth Daily last month about investing for retirement.

The letter came from a reader named David W:

Dear Steve,

I am in my 35th year as a CPA and financial adviser to high net worth individuals. Years ago I would have agreed with your assertions.
Today I say keep a minimum cash balance and go long gold and silver in large percentages.

Cheers,
David

Now first of all, I'd like to thank David for reading and for writing. Because the truth is I welcome others' opinions, even though I may not always agree with them. After all, I never said I had a crystal ball.

Even still, I just can't see why anyone would essentially go "all in" on gold and silver these days, especially with their retirement money.

Let's face it: speculation is one thing, but gambling with money you can't afford to lose is another thing entirely.

That being said, here's why I'm not as big on gold as Luke and David are. . .

Gold as a Long-term Investment

Primarily, the "go all in" side of the argument has always represented something of an Armageddon trade to me. Because in order for you to really profit from it in the long term, things would have to fall apart and stay that way.

In that regard, I don't know that I'll ever be that pessimistic about the future — even though I understand the dangers of debt, the printing presses, and a devalued dollar. In fact, I've written about all of them.

What's more, I've always wondered how the gold bugs planned to cash in on their big payday when it finally arrived. Personally, I would rather own 50 lb. bags of beans and rice.

I also never understood anyone who ever said that gold was a "can't lose investment" because somehow it's "real money," not a fiat currency.

You see, fiat is a word that the gold crowd loves to sprinkle on top of every argument, as if the dollars in my pocket are as illegitimate as crooked third-world dictator. Just because it sounds scary doesn't make it so.

The truth is gold as an investment is as fraught with risk as any share of stock, bond, or piece of real estate. You can and will lose money on the shiny metal if you buy the highs and hold on to it. It's just that simple.

If you doubt this fact, just ask anyone who bought gold at the peaks in last gold craze. Thirty years later, the price would have to reach around $2100 today for that person to break even on an inflation adjusted basis. . . and that's not including the carrying costs.

Keep in mind, gold is a static investment that produces no cash flow.

You Say Gold. . . I Say Stocks

Here's the real reason I prefer stocks to physical gold: Stocks offer investors, a piece of a pie that grows, not one that will always remain the same size.

That's the key difference for me — and why I would rather invest in a company with a bright future and dividend than a shiny piece of metal that might be the currency of the Apocalypse.

Now can stocks lose value? Of course they can. Over the course of the last 12 months, most of them have. But I have 5,000 of them to choose from. And if I do my homework, I'll find more winners than losers over time — my portfolio proves this.

On top of that, I can spread my risk across several different sectors, limiting the downside in markets that aren't correlated. And this is the real point in writing this article. When I want to sell, the market is always liquid enough for me to make an exit — something that is much more difficult to do with "hard assets."

I suppose if I were a gold guy. . . if I had to choose. . . I would rather own the miners than physical gold itself.

As for the shiny metal, I do think gold can go higher here without question. In fact, looking at the chart of gold it may be breaking out of a head-and-shoulders bottom, which would entail a price target of about $1300.

Food for thought — especially if what I'm reading about the Chinese demand for gold is true and continues to play out.

In the longer term. . . say the next 10 years. . . who knows.

But as I said earlier, gold really isn't my thing and I wouldn't go all-in on it.

Still, this is a trade that bears keeping an eye on. And if it develops, I would be more inclined to go long GDX — the Market Vectors Gold Miners ETF — or an individual miner.

As for my pal Luke, I can't wait to knock back a few beers with him at the Christmas Party this year.

I just hope we can both remember not to talk about gold. It drives my wife crazy.

Your bargain-hunting analyst,

steve sig

Steve Christ, Investment Director

The Wealth Advisory

P.S. When it comes to precious metals, there is one thing Luke and I definitely agree on: silver has more upside. To learn more about it, click here.






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Comment by jan on 2009-10-08
why don't you just say don't buy gold. You are afraid of say it that make the article is boring. I will say I wouldn't buy it and gold price will fall down within 2years.
Comment by Davkt on 2009-10-09
I personally would not hold physical gold-I would not know how to buy without getting taken to the cleaners or it would get stole anyway. However GLD has trading potential and income potential and this is why I have a problem with people knocking gold as an investment and an income play. At this point in time and for some time in the past GLD has had a very good option chain and I have used it this way creating income for the past year;however now that GLD is at such high levels price wise I have reverted to using GDX to maintain the option income. The problem with SLV is in my way of thinking lack of liquidity and the option chain leaves a lot to be desired.
Comment by SL on 2009-10-09
That was a great article, particularly your comment in which you wonder how the gold bugs plan to cash in on their big payday when it finally arrives. I got a chuckle out of that. I completely agree with your stance on owning gold. It only seems to make sense in times of hyperinflation. But even then, you can make make much higher profits playing the right stocks (long or short).
Comment by Arnold on 2009-10-09
Dear Steve,

What I would tell you, and the guy on Mars, is that it doesn't matter what you or I think, what matters is what the people who buy gold think, and they see it as "valuable", and they are in the majority. Yes, silver may eventually have more of an upside. Yes, copper, moly, etc., can be considered as well. Yes, buy the miners, because they experience a greater "price swing" than the real material. But the bottom line is; if you didn't buy into the gold boom at the bottom when the market (and gold stocks) crashed, well, you may still have a chance to make a profit...
Comment by Svogl on 2009-10-10
No investment should ever be static. Fundamentals change with businesses and economies. Buy on the upswing and miaintain your trailing stops. Ride your winner up to the top and then sell. My grandmother got a ton of Enron stock in the eighties when they bought the company my grandfather worked for all his life. At the time that stock seemed it would go up and keep splitting forever she would never sell. The fundamentals changed and she lost everything. Nothing is static in the business world so our investments in it should not be either.
Comment by Dan on 2009-10-11
Too bad you don't know very much about monetary history and "Fiat". Most of the time you don't really need to own much gold. Then there are the times when you do and then it becomes the only safe investment. Silver & Gold are entering a period when banks are failing and there is a serious risk of world wide monetary collapse. How much risk does there need to be before you would call it serious? Meanwhile, there are investment reasons, like $10,000 Gold and $1,000 Silver. Silver trades at $17 now, so there is some attraction from the privacy and security of a 60 bagger. Maybe even tax advantages.
Comment by Ben on 2009-10-19
and without looking at the author's name, I was sure a woman wrote this. Well, maybe hes not yet!
Seriously, the author cant get thi? - "Even still, I just can't see why anyone would essentially go "all in" on gold and silver these days, especially with their retirement money. "
The reason is simple- why would anyone go long Oil? Because its an inflation hedge and Stocks dont do that,least the ones in America!